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Old 04-29-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default E-Gold closing down?

I have just read at another forum that E-gold is indicted for Money Laundering and Illegal Money Transmitting by US Department of justice..

Full story can be found on: #07-301: 04-27-07 Digital Currency Business E-Gold Indicted for Money Laundering and Illegal Money Transmitting

So should we say goodbye to all our accounts and money in it?
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Old 04-30-2007   #2 (permalink)
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I have just read at another forum that E-gold is indicted for Money Laundering and Illegal Money Transmitting by US Department of justice..

Full story can be found on: #07-301: 04-27-07 Digital Currency Business E-Gold Indicted for Money Laundering and Illegal Money Transmitting

So should we say goodbye to all our accounts and money in it?
I'd suggest that people take their funds out ASAP, but my guess is it will not be a problem to get your funds back, IF you can prove it is your account

It's sad that e-gold did not make more effort to stop this happening.
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Old 04-30-2007   #3 (permalink)
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E-Gold is not going to be closed down, they will just have to improve their security. I find it interesting that this comes a few weeks after the following release from DXSynergy:

Several months have past since our last update and much has been happening in the background to progress to the next big stage in our development.

As many of you have probably heard, GDT has been granted the telecommunication license here in Vanuatu that has been needed to implement many of our services that require a larger set up here.

In our last report we mentioned that GDT was providing the software and security to a number of new e-currencies, well this has now been completed, and the first payment service and e-currency is ready to be released. Federal Gold will be the first payment service to be released and this will be followed by a series of other payment services that will form a complete interconnecting industry.

GDT has been monitoring the e-currencies at arms length for several years and also learning the hard way with loses in virtually all of the closed payment services including losses in the current running e-currencies due to their lack of internal security (which, is currently under investigation).

We have held back on joining the e-currency industry for a number of years while waiting to develop the best possible system so that the industry can go forward. Presently the main e-currencies are skating on thin ice with the way they operate which confirms what we realized some five years ago that if the industry was to survive it would need to operate the way authorities expect and use a business model which establishes itself as a world standard and that can merge with an existing banking industry.

There is an important role for the e-currency industry to play in providing an operating platform to the Internet world that the banking world can and will only dream about.

We have set a business plan in play that we are not able to easily change and need to continue the development to release the range of services that make up the major keys of the economy.

These services include services such as DXConnect (a social networking service) that has a wide scope to become involved with groups and individuals. DXConnect will enable people to upload topics of interest for others to view on a public showcase and create discussion groups that have a “forum” and/or “chat” type of format.

The DXConnect Messenger is currently being tested and is proving to be quite a versatile service with ‘one to one’ message communications. We are however requiring more users to get online and assist in testing the service to provide good feedback analysis for load testing and benchmarking. The core operating functions behind DXConnect are similar to that which will drive other DXSynergy services including DXAuctions and a wide array of others.

The ‘dXposed’ advertising service is now fully operating in the DXDaily, DXSystem and DXConnect and our marketing team our now focusing on directly working with advertising agents and businesses to use our services. Already DXBusinesses can create a campaign and watch in real-time the views of their advertisements.

The roll-out steps are becoming much quicker now that we have the co-operation of the government departments and the telecommunication license with our DXGlobal Payment Console (DXGPC) now being able to be cleared for full operation including the ClaimXchange where businesses will be able to claim the bonus percentages from their customer payments which will go a long way to covering the cost of using credit cards or various payment methods. We anticipate the availability of the ClaimXchange on the DXGPC in the next 2 to 3 days.

We have included a new diagram to the overall flow of how all the payment services and the DXServices will integrate with the DXSystem utilizing the DXMerchants in much of the process. With the DXSystem being a ‘user to user’ based service up to now this will begin to merge into a fully backed service with the Federal Gold Reserve holding all values across the full network of e-currencies and payment services.

DXAuction and the full upgrade of DXShopping will soon be clear to release after the new payment services are introduced. It has been important that the full payment options be available to both businesses and customers with escrow for a secure product for payment service.
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Good to hear that they are improving there security system, topic subject is kind of misleading, when I peeked through it. Anyway nice information!
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E gold getting closed is of no chance . they are running with some problems but i think hopefully they will overcome the problems , so need of getting funds out from E gold
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I dont think they will be closed soon. I think the problem is occurring because they allow multiple signups from same person so if they block these signups, all will be ok. They also need to implement verification system like MB and PP have.
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I do not think that egold will shut down as yet.They are gradually becoming more popular and the only thing that they can improve is the security features.
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Good to hear that they are improving there security system, topic subject is kind of misleading, when I peeked through it. Anyway nice information!
That information was regarding DXSynergy and their DXSystem, not E-Gold!

Here is some more interesting information. And people wonder why DXSynergy decided not to base themselves in the USA and why they have decided to create their own ECurrency Companies which are not based there either! Their plan looks extremely well thought out now doesnt it:

On April 24, 2007, a Federal Grand Jury handed down an indictment charging e-gold Ltd., Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc., and the Directors of both companies with money laundering, operating an unlicensed money transmitter business, and conspiracies to commit both offenses.

Dr. Douglas Jackson, Chairman and Founder of e-gold, speaking on behalf of his fellow Directors and both companies vigorously denies the charges, taking particular exception to the allegations that either company ever turned a blind eye to payments for child pornography or for the sale of stolen identity and credit card information.

Dr. Jackson states, "With regard to child pornography, the government knows full well that their allegations are false, yet they highlight these irresponsible and purposely damaging statements in order to demonize e-gold in the eyes of the public. During the Inquisition, accusations of witchcraft and heresy were used to sanctify torture and seizures of property. In post 9-11 America, child porn and terrorism serve as the denunciations of choice. e-gold, however, as a matter of incontrovertible fact, is the most effective of all online payment systems in detecting and interdicting abuse of its system for child pornography related payments. e-gold Ltd. is a founding member of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's (NCMEC) Financial Coalition to Eliminate Child Pornography. e-gold is the only member institution to demonstrate with hard, auditable data a dramatic reduction of such payments to virtually zero, while billions of child porn dollars continue to flow through other (heavily regulated) payment systems. [Most members, that is, all the banks and credit card associations are utterly unable to even provide an estimate of the volume of such payments processed by their systems. eBay's PayPal subsidiary, who may have the ability to make such a determination, has refused to do so and has indicated they destroy payment records after two years.] What is worse, until August 2005 when NCMEC courageously broke ranks with US law enforcement agencies and began directly notifying e-gold of criminal sites via the CyberTipline, component agencies of the US Department of Justice purposely concealed their knowledge of child pornography abuses from e-gold's investigators, subordinating actual crime fighting to a policy agenda designed to dirty up e-gold."

In December 2005, the Secret Service (USSS) deceived a Federal Magistrate judge with bogus testimony in order to obtain search and seizure warrants authorizing the government to seize the US bank accounts of Gold & Silver Reserve, Inc. The seizure, which netted the government about $ 0.8 million, was designed to put e-gold out of business without due process, since G&SR serves as the contractual Operator of the e-gold system. At a subsequent emergency hearing, the government made no effort to defend their (sealed) allegations of lurid criminality, falling back to a position that their action was warranted because of a licensure issue. At the hearing, G&SR described its ongoing dialog with the Department of Treasury, initiated by formal request of the company in Spring 2005, to determine a possible basis for regulating the company's activities, since it was patently clear to competent authorities that G&SR's exchange service was not encompassed within any existing regulatory rubric [subsequently re-confirmed by experts at the Federal Reserve]. The US Attorney for the District of Columbia, responsible for the prosecution, was completely unaware of this orderly proceeding, as well as Treasury reports issued the same week that acknowledged e-gold as an innovation not meeting definitions of a money services business or a money transmitter.

Since this time, the government has been confronted with overwhelming evidence that the USSS had made a horrible mistake in its attack on the e-gold system and its repeated defamatory claims in the media that e-gold is anonymous, untraceable, and inaccessible to US law enforcement. They have concealed the fact that Dr. Jackson had personally arranged to come to USSS headquarters to train the USSS cybercrime squad in December 2004 (along with agents of the UK's National High Tech Crime Unit, and the Australian Federal Police) on advanced techniques, particularly in the area of efficient interaction with e-gold's in-house investigative staff, but was prevented when senior USSS management learned of the initiative and forbade the training on the grounds of a policy declaring e-gold as their designated boogey man.

The Department of Justice has had to determine whether to continue to stand behind their component agency. Their decision to close ranks has directly resulted in a gross misallocation of resources, with the result that vicious criminals who might have been brought to justice remain at large. An example of this is the Shadowcrew investigation, hyped by the USSS as a major success in disrupting international credit card thieves. The USSS did not subpoena records from e-gold at any time in their investigation, or engage with e-gold's superb in-house investigative staff, with the result that the sophisticated hierarchy of the ring was unmolested and probably strengthened while the USSS hauled in the low hanging fruit, "a dime a dozen and relatively easy to track down and pop".

Similarly, there is compelling evidence that the international cartel of commercial vendors of child pornography continues to operate because the FBI Innocent Images Unit and Special Agents within the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency have been forbidden to follow investigative protocols developed by Dr. Jackson, apparently for fear of further belying the party line that e-gold is itself a nefarious operation.

With regard to allegations of money laundering, Dr. Jackson notes "G&SR's online exchange service, OmniPay, has for years followed stringent customer identification procedures and an absolute policy of only accepting money payments by bank wire. If bank wires aren’t already "clean" then what is? Furthermore, e-gold Ltd. can scarcely be construed as a money launderer since it does not accept money payments from anyone in any form and has never owned a single dollar, yen, euro or any other brand of legacy money. As far as the possibility of a criminal successfully obfuscating a money trail, e-gold is a closed system. The only way to obtain e-gold is by receiving a transfer from someone who already has some. e-gold is also the only payment system accessible by the public that maintains a permanent record of all transfers."

On April 27, 2007, the government served seizure warrants on G&SR ordering it to freeze, liquidate and turn over to the government the operating e-gold accounts of G&SR and e-gold Ltd. The value seized, about $762 thousand worth of e-gold from e-gold Ltd. and about $736 thousand worth of e-gold from G&SR [on top of the $0.8 million seized from G&SR in 2005, and the approximately $1 million spent by G&SR so far in its defense] constitutes the bulk of the liquid assets of both companies. Perplexingly, a post-indictment restraining order states "Nothing in the provisions of this restraining order shall be construed as limiting the e-gold operation's ability to use its existing funds to satisfy requests from its customers to exchange e-gold into national currency, or its ability to sell precious metals to accomplish the same once approval has been obtained." Having taken virtually the entire operating funds of G&SR and e-gold Ltd., that is, the e-gold in both companies' own e-gold accounts, it is unclear if the government has even a basic grasp of the operations it has been investigating for three years at a taxpayer expense in the millions.

The most remarkable element of the restraining order is that the US government deputizes e-gold with plenipotentiary powers to act as judge, jury and executioner against any account user e-gold itself has deemed to be a criminal: "It is further ordered that upon receipt of this order the defendants are required to freeze, that is, not conduct or allow any further transactions in e-gold accounts that the e-gold operation itself has identified as being used for criminal activity". Although not accompanied by an outright letter of marque, this commission (the financial equivalent to double ought status?) would appear to be an acknowledgement that e-gold's 'Know Your Customer' prowess far exceeds that of any regulated financial institution, who would be obliged to rely on court orders or other legal writs to determine if freezing an account is warranted.

Concurrent with this latest attempt to knock e-gold Ltd. and G&SR out of business and thereby effectively deny them due process, the government also attacked other prominent exchange services that deal in e-gold; IceGold, The Bullion Exchange, Gitgold, Denver Gold Exchange, AnyGoldNow, and Gold Pouch Express, plus a sophisticated and secure alternative payment system called "1MDC". All of the listed exchange services also follow stringent Customer Identification Programs congruent with what would be required of a currency exchange business, if the law supported such a classification. Two of the services, IceGold and AnyGoldNow, are located in Europe and deal primarily with non-US customers.
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i have a friend the feds froze 12 thousand in his account that was going to his bank
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The news is causing panic among egold account holders. That could be one reason why egold site has been experiencing site downtime because of surge in traffic. I believe egold can overcome the hump.
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